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Presumably - now that Westminster have said "no" and followed it up with "never, not even with proof that everyone wants it" - we can involve the United Nations now?

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@asjmcguire we need to do something like that now although the UN will not interfere as we haven't given an indication that we want to leave the uk by way of a referendum.

@Toddy19 True, but - we now can't - because Westminster has removed all democratic options to do so. That's why the UN would step in.

@asjmcguire I think they would if we hold a referendum without a s30 and Yes wins. We don't need Westminster's permission and I hope Nicola has this as a plan B. She says she won't hold one without a S30 in which case we're snookered

@Toddy19 @asjmcguire If they didn't do anything for Catalunya, I don't think the UN will save Scotland.

@tfb @Toddy19 There is a difference which I suspect plays in to our favour. Scotland is not just part of England, it's an internationally recognised Country. We already have our own Laws, Education and Health system. That will probably be taken in to account. I'd hope - otherwise you really have to question what the point of the UN actually is.

@asjmcguire
> Scotland is [...] an internationally recognised Country. We already have our own Laws, Education and Health system.

The only difference to Catalunya here is the sports teams. Which might actually be important. Otherwise, Scotland and Catalunya have about the same level of self-government. But it's also similar to German Länder or US states.

@Toddy19

@asjmcguire
A major difference that might ease things for Scotland though is the question of the oppressor nation. In your case there's just one, unlike Catalunya divided between Spain and France.

@Toddy19

@asjmcguire
> That will probably be taken in to account. I'd hope - otherwise you really have to question what the point of the UN actually is.

What is the point of a den of thieves?
@Toddy19

@asjmcguire I've been a bit out of it for a couple of days, has there been an actual official "No"?

@EverFool I don't know if it's "official" yet, but it's certainly being reported. However it is the Sec State for Scotland who has said not in Nicola's lifetime, not even if they get a majority at Holyrood.

@EverFool Telegraph or Guardian or one of them is reporting that Boris is composing a 3 page rejection letter.

@asjmcguire how on earth can they report the length of a letter that hasn't yet been written? What fairytale world are they living in?

@asjmcguire @EverFool
Even if he says No through official channels, the s.o.s. for Scotland doesn't have the authority to say No to Indyref.
That lies at No.10 & Bojo.

@asjmcguire or an army its long overdue to put englandistan in its place and their nasty treacherous supporters in scotland.

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